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Billy Bush Finally Gets to Tell His Side, and It's Messier and More Sympathetic Than You Remembered

Nine years after the Access Hollywood tape, Bush walks Adam Carolla through the betrayal, the breakdown, and why he still has one corner of his heart reserved for NBC News chairman Andy Lack.

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Billy Bush spent two years and eleven months unemployable after NBC slid the Access Hollywood tape to The Washington Post and then told him he was fine, repeatedly, right up until his driver got canceled on a Sunday morning. That is how he found out. A driver cancellation. He was buying suits for the Today Show the day before.

The Billy Bush episode of The Adam Carolla Show is the rare instance of a guy who got genuinely jobbed sitting down with another guy who genuinely believes him, and the result is something more honest than most media rehabilitation tours bother to be. Carolla keeps returning to the same puzzle: what exactly did Billy Bush do? He was on a bus in 2005. He laughed at a powerful man’s banter because that was, functionally, his job. Nobody at a sports bar stops Drunk Uncle Larry to deliver a dissertation on consent. Yet eleven years later, when NBC needed the tape to be a bomb and needed a fall guy to make the explosion look responsible, there was Bush, two months into his Today Show contract, maximally expendable.

I’ll let people decide if the punishment outweighed the crime.

Billy Bush, on the episode 8:10

He says it without self-pity, which is the right way to say it, and it lands harder for the restraint. Bush is good at this. Carolla notes early on that Bush doesn’t get credit for being as funny as he actually is, and watching him navigate this conversation you can see why the original criticism was always a little off. The problem was never that Bush lacked talent. The problem was that he was the funniest guy at Access Hollywood in the same way Bob Uecker was the funniest guy in a baseball booth, and the moment he stepped out of that frame he became vulnerable to being measured by a different standard.

The NBC Version of Events Is Ugly

The mechanics of how the tape got out are genuinely damning. An internal all-points bulletin goes out at NBC looking for anything that contradicts Trump’s claims about his behavior with women. Bush’s old Access Hollywood executive producer finds the tape in a drawer. NBC’s general counsel gets looped in. Multiple executives tell Bush he’s fine, he’s covered, don’t worry. The Washington Post publishes it on a Friday. Bush lands from an airplane to TMZ cameras. By Sunday his driver is canceled. By the following Friday he’s in a conference room with a litigator.

They have to have their PR people pile on you with other stories so that it reinforces that they got rid of a bad apple.

Billy Bush, on the episode 1:00:40

The one person Bush refuses to forgive is Andy Lack, the former NBC News chairman, who reportedly said, when asked what would be done about Bush, simply: “Fuck Billy Bush.” Everyone else in the chain has apologized, including the Access Hollywood producer who sent the tape, whom Bush later hired for Hot Mics after first demanding the Rolex back. The Rolex detail is perfect. He gave his producer a Rolex to celebrate landing the Today Show gig, demanded it back when the world collapsed, and then eventually hired the same guy anyway. That is a fully human arc.

Bush did the Hoffman Institute during the week Trump was inaugurated. Nine days, no phone, group work, the whole thing. He ended up in a room doing anger exercises next to a twenty-seven-year-old woman who had survived actual childhood trauma, and the perspective landed. He also took each of his three daughters on a two-week trip anywhere they wanted, funded by his NBC settlement. He notes this with genuine satisfaction.

Joe Piscopo Knows What He Is

The back end of the show brings in Joe Piscopo, promoting his memoir and still doing four shows a month on the road, still doing live radio, still studying Q cards before every SNL appearance he made forty years ago and apparently not entirely over it. His version of career survival is almost the photographic negative of Bush’s: no dramatic fall, just sustained grinding in a business that chews through people faster than an NFL roster. The average SNL cast tenure, Carolla’s producer looks up mid-conversation, is 3.9 years. The average NFL career is 3.3. Same sport, different uniforms.

The funniest cats at the Improv you never heard from again. The funniest cats that blew that room out in 1977, ‘78… I can remember the names but I don’t want to mention it. They were the funniest guys, creative, the room would blow out, and nothing happened.

Joe Piscopo, on the episode 1:50:59

Piscopo’s honest about the crutch his impressions gave him. He wonders aloud whether, without that safety valve, he’d have been pushed into the Seinfeld lane, forced to find a real voice. Carolla has a version of the same argument about swearing in stand-up: it’s a shock-value crutch, same as ethnic self-deprecation, same as falling back on Sinatra when the room gets quiet. The guys who can’t lean on any of that have to actually write. Both of them circle around this without quite landing on whether that makes the crutch-free version better, only harder.

Carolla, for his part, is staying at Dr. Drew’s house because of the LA fires and has been out of socks for several days. He mentions this twice. It is somehow the most grounding detail in a three-hour show about fame, cancellation, and the survivorship bias of show business.

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